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[tucky]

You know, I been wondering. If a girl gets pregnant and kills the baby, how many of y'all consider that murder? It's a real... hot-button issue where I come from, I guess; it's a big deal. There's people who feel so strongly about it that they believe the ones who actually do it - the doctors and stuff, and the people who work for 'em - deserve to die too. And it happens. People will go in and kill somebody like that, and other people will celebrate.

But then there's other people who say it ain't bad at all, 'cause we got rights to our own bodies and nobody should try and take that away. That's sexual liberation, and it's the same thing that says girls should be able to have a lot of sex and not get called sluts and whores. I always liked that part, at least, 'cause I been called those things before and it makes you feel dirty and small. But I knew guys who had way more sex than I did, and they never got called shit. Ever notice that? It's weird, how that happens.

And then there's the whole issue with condoms - which I use now, mostly, when I remember, so I don't need another lecture about that; don't worry. If you're gonna have sex, you're supposed to use 'em, or you end up with that problem I already talked about. But condoms are a real pain - they ain’t sexy or romantic or anything like that. You got to stop and put 'em on, and then you can feel 'em, and… I don’t know, I just like it better without. And I bet I ain't the only one.

It's confusing to think about; all of this is. But it's all tied together.

[warden filter]

I'm sorry for flipping the bird on the warden filter last week. I was mad and I'm still a little mad, but I think I do trust y'all, and I would like my actions not to be held against me. Please. Thank you.

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[routemistress]

I don't believe anyone should need to 'ave a thing growing in 'er body if she's not willing. It's your body. A child 'as to drain the calcium out of your teeth and bones to grow and that's not even touching the whole giving birth lark.

It's easy for me to say, mind. I can't get preggers by accident. I just don't think anyone should ever 'ave to go through it that doesn't want it.

[tucky]

That makes sense to me.

But my religion says that baby-killers are sinners bound for hell.

[routemistress]

I've never been religious, and I don't want to disrespect it. Looking from outside, though - most religious rules got made for reasons. Like the Earth religions that ban pork? Those all started up in a bit of the world where pigs can catch parasites deadly for humans. Most of the rules about sex 'appened to protect family property.

I don't know, is the short answer. There is real power in religious faith, I've seen and felt it. But I'm pretty sure I don't believe in hell.

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[rickitikitarr]

[Consider his eyebrows raised.]

Couldn't you go on the pill instead?

[Someone has never bothered with condoms, whoops.]

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[tucky]

You needed to get a prescription for that - go to a clinic and everything. And it cost money, I think.

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[rickitikitarr]

Hm.

[Thinking this over seriously. This might be the first time he's had to ponder reproductive rights. (Possibly this is why he has a child in Kuala Lumpur.)]

I bet they'd be free here, if you're worried.

cw: human trafficking

[absentconstellation]

In the Mortal Realms of my world those women who cannot use an amulet to prevent pregnancy for whatever reason usually sell their children. It is difficult to say which is worse: slavery or death.

cw: human trafficking

[tucky]

... Why don't they just have someone adopt 'em and raise 'em as their own?

cw: human trafficking

[absentconstellation]

Some do. The ones who are less interested in being paid for their troubles.

[mercurialize]

[Well, that's not a comfortable topic. He has every intention to ignore it, but hold on. That one part sounds funny.]

You need a doctor for that?

[Yes, this is a serious question.]

[tucky]

For what? Getting an abortion? Yeah, of course. I mean, there's other ways, but...

[mercurialize]

[Maybe he's missing something.]

But what? Other ways are more expensive or?

[americasdirtiest]

Hey, nothing wrong with being a whore, either.

[He feels like he should make a vague attempt to stick up for his wife... At least, when he's not the one insulting her.]

Please be using a fucking rubber if you're going to be getting all sexually liberated, though.

[tucky]

Why would you care what I do?

[Oh, wait. He sleeps with guys, she sleeps with guys.]

You think I'm gonna give someone you're fucking a disease or something? 'Cause I'm clean.

cw: stds

[americasdirtiest]

What? Jesus, no. That's sick.

[Ew, straight cooties.]

I just figured we don't need an outbreak of the fucking clap up here on top of everything else.

[chlorophylliac]

Men had been studs and women have been sluts for engaging in the same behavior for centuries. It's not 'weird', it's repulsive, and embedded in a tradition of women's bodies and sexuality as commodity.

To answer your question, if it's inside you and its life depends on you entirely, it's not a baby. So. Not murder.

[tucky]

You know, you really do talk like a feminist. You a feminist?

... And if it ain't a baby, what is it?

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[walkthedarkpath]

[ Vergil's sitting in the dark again. His features barely showing on the video.]

Someone calls you a slut, you break their jaw. They will think twice before speaking again. Your sexuality is your own concern, not a strangers. As for abortion, well I am one of those that feels the woman should talk to the man about it, but in the end it's her choice. Her body.

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[tucky]

Well, I did hit someone for it in high school. Didn't break his jaw, though.

cw: ...Crowley being intentionally offensive

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Well, I know what the Bible says about it. [Basically nothing.] That's good enough for me. I'm not saying all the "slut" and "whore" stuff is fair, it's not. But you get pregnant, you keep it.

The Virgin Mary didn't want to have a baby either.

[Crowley doesn't have a strong opinion on abortion either way. He just knows the topic makes everyone angry, and he likes that.]

cw: ...Crowley being intentionally offensive

[tucky]

The Bible really does say it's wrong?

I'm acclimating to my inbox being all tucky all the time

[ichoosefight]

[ Good girl, she thinks. You're learning. ]

No, abortion isn't murder. But it isn't something that should be taken lightly, either.

LOL I won't be offended if you decide to take a break

[tucky]

Having a kid ain't either though, right?

[orderfromchaos]

[So. This is not something Dillon has had to think about much.

And he knows with more certainty than most why she's bringing it up. But -]

They have got souls, fetuses. At least, the backward way I see them, there's something.

[tucky]

So you think it's... bad? You think it is murder?