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[tucky]

You know, I been wondering. If a girl gets pregnant and kills the baby, how many of y'all consider that murder? It's a real... hot-button issue where I come from, I guess; it's a big deal. There's people who feel so strongly about it that they believe the ones who actually do it - the doctors and stuff, and the people who work for 'em - deserve to die too. And it happens. People will go in and kill somebody like that, and other people will celebrate.

But then there's other people who say it ain't bad at all, 'cause we got rights to our own bodies and nobody should try and take that away. That's sexual liberation, and it's the same thing that says girls should be able to have a lot of sex and not get called sluts and whores. I always liked that part, at least, 'cause I been called those things before and it makes you feel dirty and small. But I knew guys who had way more sex than I did, and they never got called shit. Ever notice that? It's weird, how that happens.

And then there's the whole issue with condoms - which I use now, mostly, when I remember, so I don't need another lecture about that; don't worry. If you're gonna have sex, you're supposed to use 'em, or you end up with that problem I already talked about. But condoms are a real pain - they ain’t sexy or romantic or anything like that. You got to stop and put 'em on, and then you can feel 'em, and… I don’t know, I just like it better without. And I bet I ain't the only one.

It's confusing to think about; all of this is. But it's all tied together.

[warden filter]

I'm sorry for flipping the bird on the warden filter last week. I was mad and I'm still a little mad, but I think I do trust y'all, and I would like my actions not to be held against me. Please. Thank you.

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jsyk he'll be doing this for the rest of the thread

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Psalm 139:13-14 says "Thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise Thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are Thy works." And what do we hear in the Gospels? That Jesus loves kids. Pretty sure "suffer the little children come unto me" doesn't mean they should be aborted.

[It's a leap of judgment, albeit a very popular one.]

[tucky]

Oh.

But God forgives, too. So if you did it and then got forgiven by HIm, and led to the Lord, He wouldn't cast you out.

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Sure. God forgives. [Humans, anyway.]

Doesn't make it okay.

[tucky]

I didn't say it did.

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

It's a clear-cut issue anyway. Morally.

[tucky]

It don't sound like it, from what other people are saying.

[... But they aren't religious, and she is.]

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

They're wrong. [He shrugs, as if it's just that simple.]

[tucky]

So if I ever did something like that - you wouldn't be my friend anymore?

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

What? I never said that. It's not my baby.

[tucky]

Most people wouldn't want to be friends with someone they thought was morally wrong.

cw: religious homophobia

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

I said God had a problem with it, not me. It's morally wrong when I sleep with a guy but I do it anyway.

[tucky]

Oh, you-- no, no, see, you got that wrong, actually. The Bible don't actually say being gay is wrong.

[She brightens considerably here. If he's misinterpreting there, he's probably misinterpreting with the other stuff, too.]

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Yes it does. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." Leviticus 20:13.

[Is she catching on? He's oddly proud.]

[tucky]

Pretty sure that's part of the old laws. I learned about those, a while ago. There's a lot of stuff people weren't supposed to do in the past, but after Jesus came he said they weren't important anymore.

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Do you remember the Sermon on the Mount?

[tucky]

Um... no. No, I don't.

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Really? Wow.

Not long before the Crucifixion, Jesus got up on a mountain and preached a sermon to a crowd. It's where the Beatitudes come from -- you know, blessed are the meek and all that.

Right after those He says "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

That's how St. Matthew wrote it anyway.

[tucky]

... That's not at all what Dillon told me.

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Matthew 5. Check it if you don't believe me.

[tucky]

Well, what about when he said that taking care of each other was more important than obeying the laws?

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

That was St. Paul.

[tucky]

But Jesus said it too, right?

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

Obey the spirit of the law, not the letter? St. Paul.

[tucky]

That's also different from what Dillon said.

[sauntervaguelydownwards]

How does he know?