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[tucky]

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[tucky]

And you really think Zero and punishment and all that is gonna help with that? Really?

If somebody's gonna stop caring about death because it's not permanent on the Barge, getting punished for it isn't going to make them think any different about it.

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[ukan]

No, I don't think Zero helps. I think Zero is a containment when someone is out of control and people are in danger but it's very temporary. It needs to be temporary.

But something needs to be done to reassure the victims. You have to know this, Tiffany.

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[tucky]

And stuff is. It's just stuff that ain't punishment.

Re: private;

[ukan]

Whatever we're doing isn't good enough.

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[tucky]

Do you remember when I was having a real bad time when I was an inmate? After the monster attacks that Arthas and Sylvanas did, where I died a lot fighting them? And for a couple months after that.

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[ukan]

Yeah, I remember.

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[tucky]

Nothing that happened to them did shit for me, Lark. I don't even remember if they got punished or how it happened. People trying to reassure me as a victim didn't do shit.

But people talking to me did; people listening to me did. Nobody helped me more than Barbara, because she listened to me and talked to me instead of thinking she could fix everything for me.

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[ukan]

[He's quiet for a long time after she says this. And when he does speak it's with a different tone, one without the frustration and helplessness.]

You're right.

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[tucky]

I am?

[Way to undermine your own point, Tiffany; good job.]

I mean-- I didn't think you'd think that, that's all.

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[ukan]

Well the rules here are different, aren't they? It's easy to overlook that. We aren't here to punish--that only teaches people that the reason not to do something is because an external power will hurt them for it.

[He already believed that much.] But punishing people doesn't serve the victim, either. Punishment is about making ourselves feel better, and I think that's why I was pushing you about it.

But it doesn't help. It just means we aren't hearing what the victims need so they can figure out what to do with their pain. And you can only do that by listening and talking to them.

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[tucky]

Yeah. That's what I think, anyway. I just-- you changed your mind real fast, that's all. I thought you were trying to fuck with me at first.

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[ukan]

I wouldn't do that to you. [Other people? Sure. But she's earned his respect a dozen times over the years.]

You out-debated me. Your points make more sense and can make a bigger impact. Kudos are due.

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[tucky]

I didn't mean in a cruel kind of way, just a Lark kind of way. But-- but thanks. I got real strong feelings about this, and I believe in it a lot.

It doesn't always work or help, though, Lark. Nothing always works.

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[ukan]

I know. But it's an improvement. It's going to help more people than the groping around we've all been doing.